But the trail is too entwined from the US, UK and Australia and others to Wuhan and back to be easy to address…dual use research of concern throws suspicion in EVERY direction…
There are implications for giving up on these underexamined data sets that have implications for intellectual engagement at all in democratic open societies…
It is disheartening to see many defectors left out in the cold as their level of revelation of infiltration can be essentially disruptive to certain institutions…
Even as data linking Australia’s CSIRO Cell donation to preoutbreak SARS variants Apoptosis studies research at Wuhan Institute of Virology remains suppressed…
Covid was the first chance for the public to come face to face with an epoch changing reality. And we went into a state of denial about what virus engineering meant to our sense of the longevity of man.
On the one hand, lovely to carry on without passing through a period of mourning, with the odds of humankind or civilization survival taking a big hit - the coldest view being eventually this one, every more likely than nukes could very well shatter us horribly, at worst end us.
On the other hand, time is precious and a post-mourning rebound will look something like ‘it may get us in the long-run, but come on people, not on our watch’, or ‘we will make it, and help off-load from God as much of the work to get there and save lives along the way.’
The source of Covid debate is one battle which helps, epically, with direct facing the truth - with this uncovering of a deadly new technology, half century after nukes, we, humankind, have been diagnosed a terrible disease, the pandemic possibility syndrome. It can’t be predicted in terms of percentage possibilities, but it’s new, permanent and deserves to be treated with eyes wide open and a healthy groupthink that fits, I.e. there is only one greater evil behavior than being complicit in the creation of deadly pandemic virus, that the release of one. Generations to come can point to Covid as the truth of that abstract idea.
For future generations, it won’t matter of Covid being made in a lab is a myth, the prioritization of what has to be done is its value.
Prediction: That Covid came from a lab will be considered a no-brainer, around the world, in… 5yrs? Maybe less.
Thanks for this great overview. My thoughts are that, for me, we are asking the wrong questions this long after the fact. I dont believe we will ever get a satisfactory answer on what actually happened in Wuhan, or the surrounding area (if there was no 'lab leak'), However, we now, for the first time in history have data beyond imagination on how the world responds to these threats. In my mind the questions now shouldn't be 'what started the pandemic?' We would find much more use in asking 'what could we do better if it happened again?' Becuase we either allow these viruses to be studied and accept the risks that come from doing so, or we will reap the consequences of not understanding new and emerging threats that threaten to spread across the globe. It's a bits of a Hobson's choice if I'm honest, but the one thing we cannot do is ignore what comes next.
Yes
Gilles Demaneuf is a legend.
https://gillesdemaneuf.medium.com/list/sarscov2-origins-investigation-450d85ecb4d4
DRASTIC has produced consistently good data in the area of COVID Origin Undone Science.
https://drasticresearch.org/2021/09/21/the-defuse-project-documents/
They became a focus for institutional exchanges at the limit of defence intelligence and biological warfare programs ongoing…
https://assets.ctfassets.net/syq3snmxclc9/2mVob3c1aDd8CNvVnyei6n/95af7dbfd2958d4c2b8494048b4889b5/JAG_Docs_pt1_Og_WATERMARK_OVER_Redacted.pdf
But the trail is too entwined from the US, UK and Australia and others to Wuhan and back to be easy to address…dual use research of concern throws suspicion in EVERY direction…
https://www.sgtreport.com/2025/05/is-this-the-man-who-created-covid-19-in-faucis-us-lab/
Just as fighting poison with poison is a known tactic of Beijing…
https://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-spy-agencies-five-poisons-taiwan-tibet-uighur-democracy-2023-8
And academic systems world wide have been a locus of counterespionage concern for some time…
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/11741450
There are implications for giving up on these underexamined data sets that have implications for intellectual engagement at all in democratic open societies…
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/20/chinas-infamous-list-of-grievances-with-australia-should-be-longer-than-14-points-top-diplomat-says
When some go out of their way to help bring suppressed stories to light…
https://publishing.hardiegrant.com/en-au/books/deadly-quiet-city-by-murong-xuecun/9781743798744
It is disheartening to see many defectors left out in the cold as their level of revelation of infiltration can be essentially disruptive to certain institutions…
https://www.smh.com.au/national/spy-left-out-in-the-cold-20050611-gdlhx9.html
Thus Biological Warfare components of this COVID Origin research that are known in some circles are suppressed in others…
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2025/05/21/japan/731-member-list/
And Discrepant Epidemiology using Biological Weapons detection tools are modified to be less controversial than they should be…
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/risa.14291
Even as data linking Australia’s CSIRO Cell donation to preoutbreak SARS variants Apoptosis studies research at Wuhan Institute of Virology remains suppressed…
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/protein/AXE72895.1?report=genpept
Where prominent German links were well aware of the dual use bioweapons research of concern here from earlier WIV publications…
https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1006698&type=printable
Thus Trust but Verify methods need to be revisited.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230308013429/https://twitter.com/EdwardCHolmes
With a view to the data remaining and where the bioinformatics path leads…
https://web.archive.org/web/20220809085043/https:/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/?term=Spread+and+Geographic+Structure+of+SARS-related+Coronaviruses+in+++++++++++++Bats+and+the+Origin+of+Human+SARS+Coronavirus
Even to the edge of reason where the art of decoding remains…
https://curatorsintl.org/exhibitions/8953-mark-lombardi-global-networks
And Kryptos woven into the non protein translating end codes of SARS clones…
https://www.cia.gov/legacy/headquarters/kryptos-sculpture/
Speaks to a type of ongoing warfare that is beyond epistemic links of most forms of confrontation…but not all.
https://www.securityweek.com/china-admitted-to-us-that-it-conducted-volt-typhoon-attacks-report/amp/
Where efforts to make safe investigations of the dangerous can themselves quickly become catastrophic themselves too…
https://zenodo.org/records/15172195
And the endeavours of those that would do no harm where possible…
https://www.jcvi.org/sites/default/files/assets/projects/synthetic-genomics-options-for-governance/Baric-Synthetic-Viral-Genomics.pdf
Can still contribute to a dystopian world where Magic Weapons target minds and brains from different directions…
https://cove.army.gov.au/article/covetalk-information-magic-weapons-threats-and-opportunities-0
Such that to speak Truth to Power becomes unrecognisable any longer.
https://aep.unc.edu/2023/06/07/playing-the-expert-doing-your-own-research-as-epistemic-cosplay/
Thank you for your help with what can be known and what still has a way to go.
Covid was the first chance for the public to come face to face with an epoch changing reality. And we went into a state of denial about what virus engineering meant to our sense of the longevity of man.
On the one hand, lovely to carry on without passing through a period of mourning, with the odds of humankind or civilization survival taking a big hit - the coldest view being eventually this one, every more likely than nukes could very well shatter us horribly, at worst end us.
On the other hand, time is precious and a post-mourning rebound will look something like ‘it may get us in the long-run, but come on people, not on our watch’, or ‘we will make it, and help off-load from God as much of the work to get there and save lives along the way.’
The source of Covid debate is one battle which helps, epically, with direct facing the truth - with this uncovering of a deadly new technology, half century after nukes, we, humankind, have been diagnosed a terrible disease, the pandemic possibility syndrome. It can’t be predicted in terms of percentage possibilities, but it’s new, permanent and deserves to be treated with eyes wide open and a healthy groupthink that fits, I.e. there is only one greater evil behavior than being complicit in the creation of deadly pandemic virus, that the release of one. Generations to come can point to Covid as the truth of that abstract idea.
For future generations, it won’t matter of Covid being made in a lab is a myth, the prioritization of what has to be done is its value.
Prediction: That Covid came from a lab will be considered a no-brainer, around the world, in… 5yrs? Maybe less.
Thanks for this great overview. My thoughts are that, for me, we are asking the wrong questions this long after the fact. I dont believe we will ever get a satisfactory answer on what actually happened in Wuhan, or the surrounding area (if there was no 'lab leak'), However, we now, for the first time in history have data beyond imagination on how the world responds to these threats. In my mind the questions now shouldn't be 'what started the pandemic?' We would find much more use in asking 'what could we do better if it happened again?' Becuase we either allow these viruses to be studied and accept the risks that come from doing so, or we will reap the consequences of not understanding new and emerging threats that threaten to spread across the globe. It's a bits of a Hobson's choice if I'm honest, but the one thing we cannot do is ignore what comes next.